"The way that I think about wars in general is not just in terms of the actions of the armies, but in terms of what kind of society they're trying to build. [...] I think you can go through every single war in history, be right about who the good guys were, and find war crimes done by the good guys. A hundred percent with no exceptions. If the crux of talking about [the Israel-Gaza conflict] is to get at who is on the right side of the conflict, you're having the wrong conversation. The right conversation is what are the aims of each side, what are they trying to do, what are they trying to build."