"John S. Bell (1928–1990, right) and I at in Bell’s office 10 years after the neutrino experiment. We were the quasi-official theorists of that experiment. We did not do very well, all things considered, because of inexperience and ignorance. After the experiment, in 1963, we both went to SLAC, where I wrote my computer program and he developed his famous inequalities. We also discussed other things, even wrote a paper together that was never published. He considered his work on the fundaments of quantum mechanics as a hobby, mainly to be done in the evening, at home. He told me that he intended to do away definitely with this nonsense of hidden variables, and so he did. Later he drifted more and more into this subject, and as I consider it as some sort of foolishness not good for anything having to do with the real world, I once asked him: “Why are you doing this? Does it make the slightest difference in the calculations such as I am doing?” To which he answered: “You are right, but are you not interested and curious about the interpretation?” He was right too, up to a point. While his work became very important, as it could be verified by experiment, often in this branch of physics the discussions are on the level of finding out how many angels can dance on the point of a needle. But even so: there are interesting things there."