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"I usually begin with the idea of a character and then work on getting to know the character better. Iâve learned from actors that if I try to embody my characters physically, by walking, talking, and even dressing like them, then my characters become more real to me and therefore more believable on the page."
"I also never write about characters whose lives I donât have at least some sense of or a genuine interest in. Having a deep interest in my characters gives me both the confidence and passion to stick with them and write them as best I can."
"Itâs still rare to see eroticism explored in elderly female characters, but not so rare for male characters. Thanks to such authors as J.M. Coetzee, Ian McEwan and Philip Roth, I have many literary examples of older menâs desire, but far less when it comes to older women. Yet, when I speak to older women I hear from them many stories about desireâ sexual and otherwise. So yes, desire was always going to be an important part of the book."
"The name, Morayo, means âI see joyâ in Yoruba, so this already signals to some readers that joy has encircled her from birth. At the same time, Morayo works hard to stay optimistic through the challenges that life brings. She is someone who is interested in narrative and in the same way that she enjoys changing the endings of some of her favorite books, she also tries to embrace narratives that help move her forward rather than getting her stuck or depressed. I suppose Iâve written a character to inspire me."
"Thanks to my character, I too have begun to group my books in non-traditional ways. Thus far, my groupings, unlike Morayoâs, have been less about characters talking to each other and more about pairing authors. For example, I have Marilynne Robinson and Toni Morrisonâs Homeâs next to each other as well as God Help the Child next to Lila as there are thematic similarities in both pairings."
"And recently, because London has been on my mind, Iâve found myself placing Zadie Smithâs NW next to Brian Chikwavaâs Harare North, Muriel Sparkâs The Ballad of Peckham Rye and Ben Judahâs This is London. I, like Morayo, am interested in books expanding and enriching the literary landscape. As for my two novels, they currently still sit alphabetically on my shelves, happily wedged in between Jhumpa Lahiri, Amara Lakhous, Javier Marias, and Gabriel Garcia Marquez."
"At the time that I began to write the novel I was simply looking for a really good love story set in my parentâs generation with at least one character from West Africa, and because I couldnât find such a story, I tried writing it myself. As Toni Morrison says, if thereâs a book you want to read but canât find, then try writing it."
"Had I known that my first novel would become required reading for all students applying to university in Nigeria, I probably wouldnât have had the courage to write it. It has been an incredible honor for me to have a book read by so many people and especially exciting to know that the novel is, in some small way, inspiring a new generation of writers."
"I donât find juggling easy. However, for the past few years, Iâve been lucky enough to attend a few writing retreats (such as Hedgebrook) and that always gives my writing a boost. Currently, Iâm not teaching, which makes it easier to prioritize my writing. The way that youâve described your struggle to maintain balance certainly resonates for me."
"In the early stages of any project I need longer periods of unstructured time to delve deeply into the writing and to stick to the project. Itâs easier for me to balance several things at once if Iâm in the editing and polishing phases of writing. Iâm almost always craving more time and solitude to write, but at the same time I know that being engaged in the world is what fuels my writing."
"Going to Hedgebrook was a transformative experience for me. I was already a published author before I went, but the experience of going to Hedgebrook and meeting other writers made me believe in myself as a writer and trust in my own voice more than Iâd ever dared to before. Iâve always tried to support fellow writers and Hedgebrook has given me an even wider platform from which to do so."
"I never thought about the confluence of the two books in the way youâve described it. I love it! This is part of the beauty of writing, being surprised by what others see. Yes, Tayo and Morayo would certainly have a lot to talk aboutâtheir relationship might even go further than a platonic one. Who knows! There are certainly thematic similarities between the books, especially around the notion of independence and interdependence. I also see a chronological continuation between both novels. I left Tayo and Vanessa at the end of In Dependence in their sixties and with Like a Mule Bringing Ice Cream to the Sun I moved to a character in her seventies. It would follow, therefore that my next book might feature a character in her eighties and perhaps some younger characters too. Which, coincidentally, at least thus farâŚis the way book three is looking."
"Thank you, Darlington. My hope is that this book will lead, in some small way, to a deeper and richer understanding of Africa and the African diasporaâof the many things we hold in common as well as our differences. Similarities range from experiences of racism and discrimination to police brutality, and to the fragility of democracies whether weâre talking about Nigeria, Zimbabwe, or America. Differences include personal histories, identities, backgrounds, and geographies."
"Oh, so many things, especially the joyful moments that we shared. I remember, for example, the laughter between old friends Wole Soyinka and Henry Louis Gates Jr. as Soyinka reminisced about Morrison teaching him the phrase âknock your socks offâ but then failing to deliver on the promise of knocking his socks off with the choice of a restaurant that Soyinka found lackingânot enough pepper! Or the moment when I asked Morrison if we could talk about sex, to which she responded with a wry smile, âYeah! Iâm in a good position to talk about it, since itâs been like a thousand years. What do you want to know?â Or the day, when walking with 102-year-old Willard Harris, that she insisted I seize the opportunity to travel to the South Pole, repeatedly saying, âYou go, girl!â And so it was that the stories and the laughter flowed. I also love the adage that several of them cite, from Michelle Obama to Lord Michael Hastings, Margaret Busby, and Senator Cory Bookerâplant trees under whose shade other generations will sit. Each of those featured embodies this evocation."
"How I wish that Baldwin was still with usâhe was so wise, and his work feels just as relevant today as it was during his lifetime. Baldwinâs presence is felt throughout this book in part because he meant so much to many of those featured, including Morrison. In Morrisonâs eulogy for Baldwin, she refers to three gifts that he gave to her: tenderness, courage, and language. These are gifts that I feel heâs given to all of us, and of course Morrison has left us with similar gifts, too. A copy of Baldwinâs Collected Essays has sat close to my writing desk for more than two decades. It sits alongside Margaret Busbyâs groundbreaking anthologies, Daughters of Africa and New Daughters of Africaâmy literary taliswomen."
"I have written about Baldwin in Between Starshine and Clay and elsewhere. Baldwin means a lot to me for the following reasons: he inspires me as a writer; he inspires me for his wisdomâhis insights and clarity around many issues; and I identify with the various places and peoples of the African diaspora that he writes about from France to America. My introductory essay is a reverent nod to Baldwinâs Notes of a Native Son with its personal exploration of race, histories, and countries lived in."
"Humans are fond of putting people into categories for all sorts of reasons, but oftentimes, especially when it comes to skin color and nationality, for creating hierarchies or pecking orders. As for my experiences of race and identity, thatâs a very big question deserving of an essay-length response, hence my introductory chapter."
"But in brief, as a child of a multiracial marriage who has lived in various countries with different histories of race and racism, and as a scholar and novelist for whom race and identity feature fairly prominently in my work, itâs safe to say that these issues are weighty, albeit not to the point of holding me back. Here again is where I take my cue from Baldwin, who advocates remaining committed to the struggle against injustices while keeping oneâs heart free of hatred and despair."
"My first thought is that there are, of course, harsher forms of exile. Morayo does at least have a comfortable place to live, food to eat, and access to health care. I also suspect that Morayo, with thoughts of the ethnic and religious strife that had taken place in her home city of Jos, might be quick to say that the internally displaced face the cruelest form of exile."
"In many ways, the story I chose to write is not what readers might associate with the archetypal immigrant or exile story. Itâs not a story of someone who has arrived in a country without all the necessary documentation, or of someone living on the edges of society, just barely scraping by. I chose to write about a character who lives a life of the mind and is materially well off. Yet, as you highlight, she too faces hardships and loneliness in her old age."
"Iâd met many older women who had lived colorful lives, and yet when it came to fiction I couldnât find many stories that mirrored this, especially so when it came to the lives of Black women. Similarly, I couldnât find many books that explored an older womanâs sexuality. I had many literary examples of older menâs desire, but far less when it came to older women, and so I decided to go there, albeit in a small way."
"You mention Abubakarâs wonderful novel, Season of Crimson Blossoms, and I can tell you that when it came out I joked with him that his fifty-five-year-old Bintu could hardly be considered an old woman, at least not in comparison to my Morayo, two decades older. However, I hadnât yet met Willard Harris, a real-life character and now a dear friend whom I write about in my new book. Mrs. Harris was ninety-seven years old when I first met her, and at that time she had a âgentleman friendâ who was at least a decade younger than her. You know what they say about life being stranger or more interesting than fiction."
"Thank you, Darlington, and what a touching story! Iâd love to meet your neighborâs daughter. In terms of what inspired the novel, it was simply as Morrison once put it: If thereâs a story youâre dying to read and you canât find it, then write it. I was looking for a great interracial love story set in geographical locations and historical periods that I was particularly interested inânamely West Africa from the 1960s to present dayâand because I couldnât find that story, I attempted to write it."
"I think that every relationship has its complications, and in the case of Tayo and Vanessa, they had to contend with the added family and societal pressures of being an interracial couple at a time of pervasive colonial attitudes. In the 1960s, there was a great deal of societal resistance to interracial relationships, attitudes that arguably still persist to this day whether in the UK, America, or elsewhere. If Iâd written a novel without complications, I also suspect that your neighborâs daughter would have exercised her spirit of independence and found a different book to immerse herself in."
"Iâm so grateful to Adichie for having written Half of a Yellow Sun with its focus on the Nigerian civil war. Her novel, alongside other books with the war at its core, including Soyinkaâs memoir The Man Died, Chris Abaniâs novella-in-verse Daphneâs Lot, and Chinelo Okparantaâs novel Under the Udala Trees, all give us a greater sense of the events and conditions of that horrific war. While the civil war is not the central focus of In Dependence, it forms part of the tragic backdrop to the story. In Dependence is deeply personal for me in that I am writing about my parentsâ generation. This is not my parentsâ story, but it could have been their story."
"Thatâs a really interesting observation. Youâre right that there are similarities between the two protagonists. Tayo and Obi are roughly of the same generation, they both win scholarships to study abroad, and they return to Nigeria full of idealism before finding themselves buffeted by some of the same issues and challenges of the day. Whatâs also interesting is that itâs Vanessa who urges Tayo to read Achebeâs novels. When Tayo does read No Longer at Ease, heâs struck by how tragic the story is but doesnât, at least not in his letter to Vanessa, go as far as reflecting on how Obiâs story might be relevant to his own life."
"The warmth that I feel toward Okigbo actually comes from hearing my father speak about him. In the late 1950s, my father was one of his students at Fiditi Grammar School, Ibadan, where Okigbo taught Latin and English literature and was also the sports coach. I suspect that my dad, the football teamâs goalkeeper, might have been one of Okigboâs favorite students. He recounts the story of how Okigbo came to him one afternoon and asked if heâd ever traveled in a car that went as fast as one hundred miles an hour. âHop in,â said Okigbo to my father, and then proceeded to dazzle him with a speedy drive to the University of Ibadan in his red sports car."
"My father describes Okigbo as a fast-speaking, fast-driving, fun-loving, and extremely intelligent young man. He apparently had a flair for languages, routinely reciting passages of Ovid in Latin, and tutoring one student in Greek who subsequently got an A in the Greek exam. My dad also describes how Okigbo, along with the school headmaster, Alex Ajayi, would have various âbashesâ over the weekend. They were, as my father later reflected, a high-powered Bloomsbury Group of young intellectuals and scholars. These are stories I wish we had more of, and theyâre part of the impetus behind Between Starshine and Clay: Conversations from the African Diaspora."
"In these tumultuous times, I keep returning to James Baldwinâs essays and in particular to his Notes of a Native Son. He reminds me of the importance of holding on to two seemingly contradictory ideas at the same time: staying committed to the struggles against injustices while keeping oneâs heart free of hatred and despair."
"As a child, I was a voracious reader, of books and of people, and still am an inveterate eavesdropper and people-watcher. Snippets of overheard conversations and the faces of people not usually noticed often inspire the stories I write. Wondering about other peopleâs life stories is what I do."
"Henry Louis Gates Jrâs op-ed piece in the New York times, Whoâs Afraid of Black History? didnât change my mind on the topic but it brought much needed perspective and insight to the current curriculum debates in the US."
"I am a reader, as well as a writer. I read whenever I have the opportunity to do so, and as often as I can. My slogan for reading is, ââread a book a week.ââ You see, no matter how small the book you pick every week is, you will be sure to cover a lot of ground in reading by the end of a year."
"Hard work runs through my blood. It does not kill, but laziness does. If I were to write about myself I would have hundreds of titles, maybe a title for every page."
"She knew education is the master key to opportunities for a better life. Education opens doors and gives an individual option in life."
"My stories are triggered by drama of life."
"The general attitude of our society towards the female, commonly regarded as the âweakerâ sex. I am saddened by the fact that most women, especially in my part of the country, are trained from childhood to regard themselves as intellectually weak and incapable of attaining the highest peak in intellectual development."
"My inability to express myself well in spoken words. Perhaps this too may have been part of my training, not to be outspoken. I find spoken words unreliable, because once the words are out in the open, it is impossible to retrieve and edit them. I, therefore, discovered early in life, that writing is my best medium of self expression and a valuable tool of communication. This started with letter writing and graduated into fiction writing. In my days, letter writing was a beautiful form of communication. Courtship was elegantly done by the exchange of letters."
"Fiction writing, for me, is also triggered by the drama of life I witness on daily basis. I find human nature an interesting study. Human relationships, especially romantic ones, are intriguing and highly fascinating."
"I should mention also that besides all these, I was born into a long line of artists from my maternal side, musicians, dancers, drummers and story tellers. My major genre is prose fiction, (the novel), followed by short stories."
"When I read a book, I look out for the message the author is trying to pass across to the reader. Does the work contain wisdom? Have I learnt anything from it? I also look out for entertainment. Have I been sufficiently entertained? I believe strongly that apart from imparting knowledge to the reader, a writer should entertain the reader, because reading should be a joyous experience."
"In the mid-eighties, I was âdiscoveredâ by Prof. Stuart Brown, a Briton, and an English lecturer at the Bayero University, Kano. He had come across an excerpt of a story I was attempting to write. He was highly impressed by what he had read and quickly assured me that I was a writer in the making. Not only did he encourage me to write, he exposed my work to the international literary scene, and made it possible for the first edition of âThe Stillbornâ to be published by Longman Harlow U.K."
"I cannot, now, remember any particular book that had triggered the âmuseâ in me, but I can remember some of my best novels; Arrow of God, by Chinua Achebe, The River Between, by Ngugi wa Thiongo and Woman at Point Zero, by Nawal el Saadawi."
"The character of Ezeulu, the chief priest in Arrow of God, by Chinua Achebe is one of my favourite characters."
"Writing is my key to self expression. It has been my life line. Not only have I found satisfaction, I have been able to grow intellectually and emotionally through the art of writing. The hope that someone, somewhere, and somehow may benefit from my work makes me feel I have made some contribution to humanity. This feeling is simply great!"
"I do not have a special time, or place for reading or writing. Whenever and wherever I feel the urge to write, I write, using my small note book to capture passing ideas from within me, and scenes from the outside."
"Chinua Achebe, Ngugi wa Thiongo and Nawal el Saadawi are some of my favourite authors. There are quite a number of Western authors, too numerous to mention here. I, however, identify with these three great African writers, because they have deep understanding of human psychology and pay attention to details. They accept that human beings are what they are, and behave according to the circumstances they find themselves in; no judgement."
"I already met one of my favourite authors, Prof. Chinua Achebe in December of 1986. I had no question to ask him, I simply listened to his advice, when I narrated to him an incident that required me to take a decision. âZaynab,ââ he said, ââ donât let anybody tell you what to do."
"Lord of the Rings by J.R.R Tolkien was the book I read last. The book reflects a world moving toward a certain direction, powered by both good and evil. It is a story of an entire universe in serious conflict and impending danger. The story says, this is also your world and you are not alone in it. It is just that we may not be conscious of the presence of the âothers.â"
"I have no immediate plan to read a new book because I am seriously engaged in writing someone elseâs story."
"My library is next door to my home office for easy access, and it is arranged in an order of priority."