"Chris Matthews: Let me ask you this: the '64 civil rights bill. Do you think a [em]ployer, a guy runs his shop down in Texas has a right to say, "If you're black, you don't come in my store". That was the libertarian right before '64. Was it the balanced society? Ron Paul: I believe that property rights should be protected. Your right to be on TV is protected by property rights because somebody owns that station. I can't walk into your station. So right of freedom of speech is protected by property. The right of your church is protected by property. So people should honor and protect it. This gimmick, Chris, it's off the wall when you say I'm for property rights and states' rights, therefore I'm a racist. I mean that's just outlandish. Wait, Chris. Wait, Chris. People who say that if the law was there and you could do that, who's going to do it? What idiot would do that? Chris Matthews: Everybody in the South. I saw these signs driving through the South in college. Of course they did it. You remember them doing it. Ron Paul: Yeah, I but also know that the Jim Crow laws were illegal and we got rid of them under that same law, and that's all good. Government — Chris Matthews: But you would've voted against that law. Ron Paul: Pardon me? Chris Matthews: You would've voted against that law. You wouldn't have voted for the '64 civil rights bill. Ron Paul: Yes, but not in — I wouldn’t vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws. Chris Matthews: But you would have voted for the — you know you — oh, come on. Honestly, Congressman, you were not for the '64 civil rights bill. Ron Paul: Because — because of the property rights element, not because it got rid of the Jim Crow law."