"I think Wikipedia is a pretty good, valuable resource if you come across the casually, in like a search engine or something. But I think it's a lot more valuable if you understand how it works and you understand how to read it, you understand how the citations work. You can see the history of every Wikipedia article from the day it was created till today. Every single change back and forth, good and bad. You can see all the discussions that people have had about that article. What's included in that article? What's not included in that article? What, how, how things should be included? What proportion should we show this view or that view? What are the appropriate, appropriate sources to cite? So I think the value of Wikipedia, which is I think it's probably enough if you find it in a search engine, but if you go through it and you understand how it works, I think it's exponentially more valuable and more interesting and more like sort of creative and more of a fun sense of community, and understanding."