"Some of the alchemists had discovered that a metal gained, not lost, weight by . This was known as far back as the sixteenth century. It had been pointed out by Cardan and by Libavius. Sulzbach showed that such was the case with mercury. Boyle proved it in the case of tin, and Rey in that of lead. Moreover, as knowledge increased it became certain that Stahl's original conception of the principle of combustion as a ponderable substance he imagined, with Becher, that it was of the nature of an earth was not tenable. The later phlogistians were disposed to regard it as probably identical with . But even hydrogen has weight, and facts seemed to require that phlogiston, if it existed at all, should be devoid of weight."