"Ben Shapiro: I don't frankly give a damn what you think of me, since I've never heard of you. Andrew Neil: And I've never heard of you before I briefed myself for this, but that's not the issue. You haven't— Ben Shapiro: Then why the hell are you interviewing me, sir? Andrew Neil: It's an interesting book. But my point is, your book claims that society— Ben Shapiro: Well, it would be nice if you would quote it from time to time."