"No one has shown us this conversation. If it existed, we would need to listen to it to verify Graviano’s actual words. In any case, he knew he was being recorded and may have been misleading us. I am not aware of any meeting between Berlusconi and Graviano or anyone directly or indirectly linked to him. Let alone with one of his well-known cousins."
January 1, 1970
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