"The story is that it all spirals out of our control. And of course this is the plot of quite a lot of science fiction movies, notably Terminator. I love those movies just as much as anybody does. But it's deeply implausible, and I became frustrated with that narrative for all sorts of reasons, one of which is that that narrative, whenever it comes up in serious debate about where AI is going and what the risks are, there are real risks associated with AI. It tends to suck all the oxygen out of the room in the phrase that my colleague used. And it tends to dominate the conversation and distract us from things that we should really be talking about."