"I can't see that happening because the White Paper has been approved by Parliament, even the Decadal Plan, so the wheels are running. And at the end of the day, the politicians can't stall the momentum at which this is going. I mean, they may be able to chirp about certain things, but the doing is actually in the hands of the scientists. And therein lies, you know, some of the frustrations we feel are scientists. We come from a sporting nation. I mean, you know, we all know that the Springboks (national rugby team) are playing on Saturday. There'll be an overwhelming voice of support for that level of stuff. When it comes to politics, we are all very opinionated. You know we can, we can air our opinions, whether we have supported the evidence, etcetera. But at least with the science, even though we don't get the same recognition as scientists and what science can do, the value of science is that it is evidence based. There's a line of evidence, a chain of evidence in terms of support of what it is we are doing. But sadly, during the COVID era, the trust in science was kind of obliterated. And so we have a lot of work to do to rebuild the trust, the confidence and to allow people to see why science, whether it is the, you know, the physical sciences, the hard sciences or the social sciences, to just stand back a little and watch the way science rolls in motion."