"Getting out was a bit like making your way through a jungle: if you know the way and all the hazards that lie before you the chances of getting through are good; if you know nothing the tendency is to take chances based on intuition, with unknown results."

"“That's how you beat the fascists: one act of resistance after another,” and “Freedom is very simple idea, which is why, perhaps, it can be so easily lost”."

"A lot of people can't understand how we got the shape of the key, but if you break it down – most of the dimensions you get from the lock itself, you measure the hole,” he explained in relation to his escape."

"They were very big locks so you could see the marks on the inside. When you're making it the lock is right there, you keep filing it until it fits in the holes. You hardly have to measure,” he further elaborated."

"I just accepted apartheid because I didn't know any better. I just assumed that's the way things were." — Criminal podcast, Episode 146: Ten Doors, 2020"