Cynthia Bir

"Years of research have gone in to kind of what the makeup should be of this ordnance gelatin to really represent what damage you would see in your soft tissues...this is currently considered kind of the state of the art."

"There are fragments in here. There's, kind of took a curve and came out. You can see a much larger area in terms of the fractures that are inside....It's exploded and it's tumbling. So what happens is, this particular round is designed to tumble and break apart....There's going to be a lot more damage to the tissues, both bones, organs, whatever gets kind of even near this bullet path. The bones aren't going to just break, they're going to shatter. Organs aren't just going to tear or have bruises on them, they're going to be, parts of them are going to be destroyed."